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  Does this fact in it`s own right , prove the Garden Of Eden story false to be no more than a fable ?

  by smiddy in

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  thinking about life in general reflecting on the abundance of life on this planet , it became obvious to me that every living thing , those flying in the heavens ,living on the earth , or existing in the oceans , is all possible for one reason , and one reason only.. every living thing exists at the expense of the death of some other living thing , life and death go hand in hand.. the same is true even in the microscopic world .. every living thing feeds off some other unfortunate living thing.that`s nature at its most basic observation , but true.. what the noachian flood story overlooks is the vast amount of living marine life that existed and flourished and not influenced or affected by what supposedly went on , on land.. 99.9 % of all living creatures if not 100% live by the death of some other living creature and the same would have to be true in the garden of eden if it was to have existed in the first place .. no thing can live if it does not devour some other living thing .

  a fact of life .. apologists are welcome to support god , by suggesting miraculous interventions by god that have no scriptual basis.

  i guess any nature video of the animal kingdom , marine life in the oceans , or videos of the bird life , as in nature series should make this clear .. smiddy.

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  Does this fact in it`s own right , prove the Garden Of Eden story false to be no more than a fable ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thinking about life in general reflecting on the abundance of life on this planet , it became obvious to me that every living thing , those flying in the heavens ,living on the earth , or existing in the oceans , is all possible for one reason , and one reason only.. every living thing exists at the expense of the death of some other living thing , life and death go hand in hand.. the same is true even in the microscopic world .. every living thing feeds off some other unfortunate living thing.that`s nature at its most basic observation , but true.. what the noachian flood story overlooks is the vast amount of living marine life that existed and flourished and not influenced or affected by what supposedly went on , on land.. 99.9 % of all living creatures if not 100% live by the death of some other living creature and the same would have to be true in the garden of eden if it was to have existed in the first place .. no thing can live if it does not devour some other living thing .

  a fact of life .. apologists are welcome to support god , by suggesting miraculous interventions by god that have no scriptual basis.

  i guess any nature video of the animal kingdom , marine life in the oceans , or videos of the bird life , as in nature series should make this clear .. smiddy.

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  Smiddy, have you been corresponding with Victor Frankenstein?

  It seems your premise *might* be that first there was DEATH, then there was life.

  There *might* have been a time, very early in the history of life on earth, (about 4 billion years ago) when there was no predation. Back then all life was in the oceans, and each creature was self-reliant, sustaining life by absorbing energy. Predation had not yet been "invented."
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  Hypothetical Question...

  by JW_Rogue in

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  i was just thinking that the org has said lots of outrageous things over it's history and most jws just continue onward without a second thought.

  so my question is what do you think would have to be said from the platform or wt to get people to get up and walk out immediately?

  is it even possible?

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  JW_Rogue queried, "...what do you think would have to be said from the platform or WT to get people to get up and walk out immediately?"

  If the Circuit Servant said, "Get up right NOW and walk outside!" Probably 73% would comply and 4% would drop dead on the spot.

  This is not a scientific estimate.

  
  
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  New Book About Jehovah’s Witnesses Starts Creating a Buzz in The JW and Ex JW Community

  by GodZoo in

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  a recently published book, by best selling author eugene walker has started creating a buzz inside the jehovahs witness community.

  in his new book, "jehovah's witnesses exposed - what really goes on inside the kingdom hall walls", eugene walker brings to light hidden issues that many jehovah's witnesses now face in the organisation.. .

  http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/11/prweb13083118.htm.

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  LisaRose declared, "It should be conscience, not conscious."

  I'll bet Eugene is writing in "the tongue of Angels." Angels never had a grasp of Junior High School English.

  PLENTY of home-schooled JWs will never even see the error.
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  New Book About Jehovah’s Witnesses Starts Creating a Buzz in The JW and Ex JW Community

  by GodZoo in

  1. social
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  a recently published book, by best selling author eugene walker has started creating a buzz inside the jehovahs witness community.

  in his new book, "jehovah's witnesses exposed - what really goes on inside the kingdom hall walls", eugene walker brings to light hidden issues that many jehovah's witnesses now face in the organisation.. .

  http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/11/prweb13083118.htm.

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  >yawn<

  wow, i'm so happy for Eugene Walker

  Let us know when you pass that "twelve-copies-sold" milestone.

  ask around - publishing XJW books is a sure path to fame, riches and recognition, unless I'm lying.
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  What do people expect god to do?

  by punkofnice in

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  i was watching the news about the french terrorist attacks.

  not getting into that but i notice the media is churning it over a bit, now.

  moving switly on; there were prayers for peace reported.. question: what do those praying for peace think that god will actually do about their prayers?.

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  1914—The Turning Point in History - Really?

  by berrygerry in

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  2. bible

  1914the turning point in history.

  30 from the human standpoint, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world.

  german statesman konrad adenauer said: thoughts and pictures come to my mind, .

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  The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society has always claimed that what made the year 1914 significant were the events that were taking place in "the realm invisible."

  I look forward in eager expectation to the day the lead article in The Watchtower (study edition) is titled, "1914 -- Suddenly, NOTHING HAPPENED."

  The is NO "Realm Invisible"!

  There are NO "spiritual creatures"!

  You do NOT have a "soul"!

  Stop letting yourself be misled by retards and con-men!

  Don't give control of your life over to neurotic sociopaths!
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  JW Middle Schoolers vs Non JW Middle Schoolers - what was your middle/high school experience?

  by Julia Orwell in

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  i'm a secondary school teacher and i've spent a lot of time at school this year since i've left jws simply observing student dynamics.

  i do a lot of playground duty and have the opportunity to observe the kids at play and in the classroom.

  i've especially had the opportunity to observe middle school kids, that is, kids between 12 and 15 in my state.. my observations of these 'worldly' children are:.

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  Julia Orwell asked, "...I was not raised JW and would like to hear from those of you who were, commenting on my observations and including your own experiences."

  I was a bit gifted academically, winning a second-grade spelling bee (winning a prize! YAY!) and a school-wide general science exam in Junior High School for which I received a small medal. I was a candidate for the entrance exam for the Bronx High School of Science (I failed the math portion of the test).

  
  As Jim_TX said, "No dating. No girlfriends. Nothing." In one of my sophmore HS classes, there was this REALLY pretty girl with long dark red hair who invited me to sit near her. She moved so that her hair brushed over my face. "You smell like CIGARETTES!" I said. Our brief affair was over.
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  I miss my family so much. I thought I was over it but I have breakdowns every few months thinking about my family

  by macys in

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  as most of you know i have been shunned by my family for 2 years because of a photo posted on facebook of me kissing another girl at a party.

  the matter was not dealt with fairly but it is over now and i am 100% certain that jdub org is a cult.

  but i miss my family so much.

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  DJ Double N here... this song is going out to Macys!

  
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  It's a two-fer!

  
  Song 2

  He's rounding second and going for third!

  
  Song 3

  Folks, I can't believe it! He's heading for home!

  
  Song 4
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  Splinter Groups

  by Kenneson in

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  the watchtower bible and tract society was born in dissent.

  charles taze russell, its founder, (was a presbyterian, then a congregationalist, then a skeptic, then an adventist, and finally originated his own brand).

  see http://watchtower.observer.org/.

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  Kenneson said, "Herbert W. Armstrong's group is known as the Worldwide Church of God. I don't think he was affiliated with the Watchtower Society. Anyone know for sure?"
  You are correct, Kenneson, HWA was contemporaneous with the WTB&TS, and happened to pick some of the same special dates as the WTB&TS - 1975 - but for entirely different reasons.
  There are many ways to fall out of the STUPID tree, but they all arrive at the same place - on the ground.